USB connections for printers ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Newsgroups: comp.periphs.printers References: Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2004 22:07:37 -0400 From: Jerry G. Subject: Re: USB vs. Firewire "Robert A. Fink, M. D." wrote in message news:msadh011tsntsdfgj325jd20482skquuhs@4ax.com... | | I have posted here before regarding my inability to install a new HP | 7960 photo printer to my WIN2000 system. I have tried just about | every approach, including trying a different printer (same model) and | the installation process freezes at the point of attachment of the | printer to the USB (2.0) port. It appears that there is some | irreversible incompatibility between the printer and my USB setup. I | have returned the printer. | | I am now looking around for other photo printers of similar quality. | I have discovered that there are several photo printers which can | utilize a Firewire connection instead of USB. These include the Epson | R800 and 2200, and the Canon 9900. I should be able to install a | Firewire card in my computer. | | Any specific comments regarding these machines? Many thanks. | | | Best, | | Bob | -- | Robert A. Fink, M.D., FACS, P.C. | Neurological Surgery | 2500 Milvia Street Suite 222 | Berkeley, CA 94704-2636 USA | 510-849-2555 Read the notes below. Then see if you can borrow back that printer, and try it again. If you have two USB controllers in the system, try a port on each one. Some of these printers are sensitive to the type of IRQ sharing. The details of this get very complex. After reading the notes below, you may be able to solve this problem. it has worked for me with scanners, printers, and other USB devices. ___________________ There are many instances of people installing new scanners and printers on new systems using USB 2, and having "Not Responding" errors. The USB 1 ports are having less instances of this problem. The described problem can be very frustrating, and sometimes be very difficult to resolve. Many users would first start by uninstalling and reinstalling the software, when the software is not directly at fault. At the hardware level, and at the Windows test level, the device checks to be okay, and responding properly. Yet, it does not respond properly when doing its work. Some symptoms are that the scanner may stop in the middle of the scan and hang, or not scan at all. Or, a printer may stop in the middle of a page and hang. In the case of the printer, if it does not hang, it may start to print random looking characters during the middle of a print job. It turns out that with USB 2 ports, on many P4 machines this problem may occur with some scanners and printers. This has to do with several factors. If the USB Root Hub is IRQ shared with other devices that are particularly active, this problem may occur in many systems. This has to do with data streaming being interrupted (shared IRQ requests), and the receiving device becoming timed out. The device becomes out of sync. The device may then hang, or stop responding, and have to be reset. There is also the condition where the data inputs of the device being driven by the USB port are pulling peaks of too much peak current for the USB port to handle. Considering the speed of the data coming from the port, the effective impedance of the device load may be a bit low, thus causing it to pull more current than what the USB port can support. ...... An easy fix for this condition, if in the event that the condition described here is relevant to the problem described, is to add an externally powered USB hub between the USB port and the unit that is having the loss of the normal responding condition. The external powered USB hub will act as a data and power buffer between the device, and the computer's USB port. In this case it is effectively acting as an extended USB data port, with its own independent port power drive. Because the USB hub will run slower than the port feeding it, there is the opportunity for it to continue streaming out the data during IRQ interruptions. The device being fed will normally not see these interruptions, unless they occurring for a longer time period than the streaming length from the hub. Connecting and using other devices to the same USB hub, may or may not cause any symptoms of loss, depending on the particular characteristics of the other devices sharing this USB hub, and the hub itself. This would be by trial and error. The proper fix would be for the manufacturers to do some re-engineering of their products. Jerry G. -- Comments, and suggestions are welcome: jerryg50@hotmail.com ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// supposedly a protocol-analyzer class on-line http://home.universalclass.com/technology/telecommunications/index.htm#8025 ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\